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I'm agnostic, and well I realize that those terms are rather social norms now, and do not refer to the belief in a boogie man (God). If you choose not to say the Pledge, then don't say it, you need not as I never did.

Abe: We will see when the boogie man calls.... oh I mean "God"

Well, he doesn't have my number! It's unlisted!

Why am I not surprised by Able's response? It's not like your telling us anything we didn't guess at already.

Able is a godless, unpatriotic, anti-american leftist. Say it ain't so!

We no need you stinkin PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

ViVa AZTLAN! SI SE PUEDE! SI SE PUEDE!

Who cares what Able believes? This country was founded on religious freedom . . . remember? What matters to the majority of foks, those that do believe in a higer being no matter what she's called :) is that the court ruled in favor of the majority . . . THIS TIME!!!

'Why am I not surprised by Able's response? It's not like your telling us anything we didn't guess at already.'

So you were able to guess that I'm in favor of them upholding this decision? Hmm. Who would have thought!

'Able is a godless, unpatriotic, anti-american leftist. Say it ain't so!'

I am quite Godless, thank you for noticing. I am unpatriotic because there no reason to have jingoism, as it only leads to elitism, hatred and violence. Also, I am not anti-American, as I love Americans, I am anti-America.

Now get it right or pay the price homeslice!

'Who cares what Able believes? This country was founded on religious freedom . . . remember?'

Agreed. I'm all for y'all believing in God, or Gods, or donkeys for that matter. To have the term God appear on money, anthem's and other cultural phenoms are merely examples of ceremonial deism and hold no true religious meaning any longer.

To teach God or any other religion in class, or in other governmental institutions I highly object to, as that would violate a separation of Church and state. But, not this.

Good God y`all!
God is the word Gold without the letter L in it.
When used on the currancy.
Tis the gold that holds up the monies.
Everything that is not man or woman made is made by God,trees,flowers,grass,oceans,seas,lakes,ponds,repyiles,mammels,humans,birds of the air.
Thats who God was in the Bible,it isn`t hard to go figure.
~Peace Glenna~

I'm in agreement with Able on most of what he just said, I do take exception to the anti-America part though...

LOL I need my coffee... I can't even spell my moniker correctly.. :)

Newdow is the devil. I am beginning to think Able is his son.

"This country was founded on religious freedom . . . remember?" **Again, Alice demonstrates her superior knowledge of revisionist AmeriKan history!**

Actually, America was founded as a utopia for those seeking religious freedom from the Church of England. There was no religious freedom in the colonies. You belonged to one church, lived by their laws, and faced public humiliation and imprisonment or being "warned out" if you didn't "fall into line." Have you read The Scarlet Letter, although fiction it is a great example of how badly the "church" treated people int he colonies.

Furthermore, Anglicans living and practicing in the colonies were persecuted by the governing bodies including the courts which, shockingly enough, were run by the church.

Catholics, on the other hand were persecuted and looked suspiciously upon right up the the mid part of the 20th century. Their churches were burned, etc.

So, what is this "religious freedom" you speak of Alice? The freedom of one church to persecute others in the name of "their" religion?

Now, to the point...

I agree with most of what Able said as well. I choose never to say the pledge, not because it contains the word "God" but, because I won't pledge my allegiance to any nation as doing so implies that I believe the nation is above "God." I too love the American people, but am anti-America.

So, I wont say the pledge and I won't sing the national anthem.

Todd is anti-America and anti-religion, why am I not surprised?

The only thing making our dollar worth anything is God, because Obama is quickly dilutingthe value by printing more dollars on a shrinking value pool!

'LOL I need my coffee... I can't even spell my moniker correctly.. :)'

It is an early day for all of us, I have the flu and am work, I fully expect spelling and grammatical mistakes from me today! :D

'Newdow is the devil. I am beginning to think Able is his son.'

That could explain why I am always so warm.

'Todd is anti-America and anti-religion, why am I not surprised?'

I am curious how he and I are both anti-American, when we're living and reading by the same laws you are.

'The only thing making our dollar worth anything is God.'

Well, the concept of money is about as real.

Bill - you need to learn how to read... I said:

"I choose never to say the pledge, not because it contains the word "God" but, because I won't pledge my allegiance to any nation as doing so implies that I believe the nation is above "God.""

How is that saying that I am anti religion when I believe in God?

"'The only thing making our dollar worth anything is God.'"

Yes, because Jesus didn't overturn the tables of the money changers in the temple.

Republican Motto... GOD, GUNS, MONEY... sounds pretty contradictory to me.

"Obama is quickly dilutingthe value by printing more dollars on a shrinking value pool!"

Ironic, because today, 2010, 1 EUR = $1.3758.
Under Bushie poo...
In 2007 it was 1 EUR = $1.4505.
In 2008 1 EUR = $1.54.

Um, so explain how 1 EUR = $1.3758 under Obama is worse than 1 EUR = $1.54 under Bush.

Oh, and it was Bernake who threw money out of the sky on the behest of the previous administration.

able your brain which is dead anyway is between the ears not your as hole

I assume this will make Sen. Fasano and those very wealthy atheists he does all that legislative work for very sad.

There are some places on earth where you would be stoned to death for not believing in God. The USA is not one of them. Those that choose not to say the pledge, please leave the room or identify yourselves.

tom east haven - you might say the same of Alice.

Bones - I am proud to identify myself as not saying the pledge OR singing the national anthem or standing during it. Thanks for at least agreeing that I have the right NOT to say or acknowledge either.

'able your brain which is dead anyway is between the ears not your as hole.'

At least I know where is now. Probably the same place Noah's Ark is.

'I assume this will make Sen. Fasano and those very wealthy atheists he does all that legislative work for very sad.'

Well, what is the assumption that all Atheists or Agnostics care?

'There are some places on earth where you would be stoned to death for not believing in God.'

There are also places on Earth you're murdered for being homosexual. There are also places on Earth you're murdered for being of another race. Interesting, that one place has had both of those, and we live in it.

'Those that choose not to say the pledge, please leave the room or identify yourselves.'

Why should we have to do anything? We have the same right to not say it, as you have to say it. Or does freedom of speech only work for those for whom you support?

Todd and Able - The most well known America hating communists on this board.

It's people like you - in power that are screwing up this country !

'Todd and Able - The most well known America hating communists on this board.'

Obviously someone doesn't understand the political spectrum and the varying degree as to which ideology shifts amongst it. Perhaps, you should read my posts, understand my viewpoints and quite possibly use a reference model to compare my thoughts before assuming that I am the only word you know, 'communist.' Also, if this were 1950 perhaps that would be, for lack of a better word, 'evil' but we no longer need to be trapped by the fear of ignorance, that for which you apparently hold a large stake it.

Now please, once you're able to have a fruitful discussion and understand the nature as to which ideologies shift, we'll continue, but until that point your words lack any merit, value or credibility for this blog. You've failed at making a succinct point that can allow for the conversation to continue in a normal manner, therefore you have no purpose in speaking. Shall I stop you? No. But, that does not mean your words mean anything.

Also, I do not hate America or Americans. I hate American policies and their effect upon the citizens of this nation and those who do not live within it. Perhaps if you held similar concerns and were able to voice them, we'd be able to come to consensus on solutions, but you wish to merely vilify options that fit your narrow view of reality. Therefore you shall be stuck in a continual loop of misery and discontent. I feel for you.

So, I am sorry to say it is not I who screws up this country nor is it Todd. It is individuals unwilling to make sacrifices, unwilling to make change and unwilling to realize when a way of life is not sustainable. Till the day those realize it, we are all done for.