Comment from: Hosed by the system [Visitor] Email
Great................another SANCTUARY craphole in the state.......


I give him credit though IF there is any truth to the part about not giving federal services to the illegals and turning them in when they DO find out they are illegal...something that the criminal mayor of New Haven DOESNT do..............
08/19/08 @ 05:45
Comment from: Here we go again [Visitor] Email
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What part of illegal doesn't our officials understand. Illegal is illegal. All we are doing is attracting more illegals to our major cities which cannot support them.

It's a travisty of justice.
08/19/08 @ 06:53
Comment from: CTRedSoxFan [Visitor] Email
You know...it's quite funny when the majority of regular citizens understand the concept of what illegal means, yet the elected officials that these same citizens elect do not.

Get the picture...get the DEMS out of office and maybe, just maybe the concept of illegal will be realized again
08/19/08 @ 07:17
Comment from: Able [Visitor] Email
Thank you Mayor, you did a great thing for human rights regardless of what hate-mongering individuals may think.

Se se puede.
08/19/08 @ 09:27
Comment from: CTRedSoxFan [Visitor] Email
Here we go Able.

Human Rights is one thing and I have no issue if these people want to better themselves by coming into this country LEGALLY.

What about our Rights? You know the rights of the LEGAL citizens. When you left leaners condone the illegals in this country you put a strain on the system that we LEGAL honest people pay our hard earned taxes into.

Why do you guys have such an issue with the meaning of the word ILLEGAL?
08/19/08 @ 13:26
Comment from: Able [Visitor] Email
It is a human rights issue, if you can't clearly see that then you are using rose colored glasses to view this topic.

No human is illegal, so please refrain from using such a derogatory and insensitive term to describe human beings.

Everyone has rights, no Constitution or border give them those, they are basic human values that are innate. It is governments and individuals who attempt to corrupt them.

The strain is put on the system by corporate greed. Undocumented workers are paid far less than their documented counterparts, and tend to do jobs that no others wish to do. The only 'strain' you see is them applying for federal assistance that you are unable to get because you are far too wealthy (the you is not directed at you specifically, but it may very well be the case.)

We put our hard earned tax money into the federal reserve and the Iraq War, both fraudulent systems that Americans seem happy paying into. Why do you have such a problem with the terms undocumented worker and compassion?
08/19/08 @ 14:37
Comment from: Julio Undocumento [Visitor] Email
Me famyle work hire moneys need. Thanks your Mayor Perez. Know all familee can live amarica.
08/19/08 @ 16:43
Comment from: Able [Visitor] Email
And onto Bozo #1.. tell him what he's won.
08/19/08 @ 17:19
Comment from: DH [Visitor] Email
I'm a former democrat turned independent due to the crazy left wing liberals who are ruining our country with this stuff.

We are screwed. At least they could assimilate into our culture like previous generations of immigrant Americans but they dont want to.

Or how bout this...learn to speak English. Maybe that would help them.

If this country does not fix the problem soon we will eventually turn into a 3rd world nation. Just look at how bad our cities have gotten over the past 20-30 years.

Its not hard to figure out why. Cities like Hartford and New Haven used to be beautiful cities where families lived in safety. Now look at them.

08/19/08 @ 17:41
Comment from: MBLS [Visitor]
DH.. You are so right. These Left leaning anti war liberal with their political correctness BS want to give these Illegals(this is what they are-they are here illegally without proper papers)a free pass.

I am so sick of these liberal nutbags telling us that these people have more rights than those of us who were born here, work here and pay taxes here.

I think DeStefano should be thrown in jail for all the bulls**t he is doing to coddle the illegals.

If INS was doing their job we would be rid of these people who are straining all of our budgets because we have to pay for them as well.

08/19/08 @ 17:54
Comment from: Thomas [Visitor] Email
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Maybe Mayor Perez is here illegally? This guy is a tool!
08/19/08 @ 17:57
Comment from: DH [Visitor] Email
Thanks,

No need to sugarcoat it for anyone, especially in this age of political correctness.

I work in New Haven and the city is becoming a real dump. If not for Yale, (which however has illegals working all over it) the city would be just plain horrible.

Destefano is a complete fool just pandering for votes like most politicans. And Perez? Come on, didnt he just get called out recently for some shady business deal?

And yes, us hard working people who are trying to do the right thing get screwed by this stuff. Our healthcare costs are skyrocketing while service is getting worse. Social services in general stink. And our education system is becoming a joke nationwide.

Get a grip on this issue and you will see healthcare costs level and in some cases decrease.

And its not that these people take jobs others wont do, they just will take them for near nothing. When I was a teenager I worked landscaping and loved it. I wish I could open my own company and compete. I can't because I would do it legally and have insurance for my workers and proof of citizenship, etc. The guy hiring the illegals wins with low bid every time cause he does not have to pay costs like me.


Just wonderful.



But

08/19/08 @ 18:30
Comment from: Hosed by the system [Visitor] Email
Human rights issue my 'ass'..........

the world isnt and never will be set up that way......

The citys of this damn state are becoming 3rd world crapholes...all of them......


Its a human rights thing......lol.......right


08/19/08 @ 18:59
Comment from: Arnie [Visitor] Email
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Here we go with all that human rights CRAP.Maybe if we start treating criminals like criminals we wouldn't have to be afraid to walk on our streets.If these ILLEGALS want to live here someone tell me why they can't do it LEGALLY, if they are all the wonderful hard working people everyone makes them out to be.Why don't we just make it easier for all the criminals (You know it's against someones rights to single out their individual group) and bar the police from asking anyone any questions about anything.This whole issue is a joke as these people are ALL criminals by crossing the border ILLEGALLY in the first place.The civil liberties union and all the other human rights groups are ruining this country for the hard working HONEST LAW ABIDING TAX PAYING Citizens who unfortunately have to be afraid when they leave their homes and sometimes they are not even safe there. This is ridiculous. If we have laws they need to be enforced. ALL OF THEM!
08/19/08 @ 19:12
Comment from: DH [Visitor] Email
Yes indeed!

Any normal thinking person gets the concept of "illegal immigrants/aliens"

When is the silent majority going to stand up collectively and say enough is enough?

08/19/08 @ 19:26
Comment from: DH [Visitor] Email
We can bring the country back.
08/19/08 @ 19:28
Comment from: MLBS [Visitor]
Arnie .. You and DH are right on target. But some of the candya** liberals who choose to blog here when they should go elsewhere are such a bunch of socialist/communists and want everything to be so Politically Correct.

If the Illegals come here come in LEGALLY not jumping a fence or sneaking in on a truck.

They should learn how to play by the rules and speak English and they shouldnt put instructions in spanish or any other language.

And now some of these Liberal idiots want to change the State Constitution so we end up becoming California East.

A vote for Obama or any Liberal is a recipe for Disaster.

Arnie and DH keep up the great posts.
08/19/08 @ 19:47
Comment from: Able [Visitor] Email
'They should learn how to play by the rules and speak English and they shouldnt put instructions in spanish or any other language. / They should learn how to play by the rules and speak English and they shouldnt put instructions in spanish or any other language.'

First of all, English is not the official language of the country, therefore no one should have to learn any language. What the presumed language is of the country is a different case, but there is no official language so complaining that any individual whether they speak Spanish, French, Dutch or Russian is a moot point for the reason I've stated.

'I'm a former democrat turned independent due to the crazy left wing liberals who are ruining our country with this stuff.'

At least you're an independent, which is what I can respect. But to say that 'left wing liberals' are running the country is obviously ridiculous, you have confused individuals who were brought up through the new left with what a true liberal is. Members of the far left don't approve of anything that most members of Congress do.

'Cities like Hartford and New Haven used to be beautiful cities where families lived in safety. / I work in New Haven and the city is becoming a real dump. If not for Yale, (which however has illegals working all over it) the city would be just plain horrible."

Yes, Yale is the major organization within New Haven and without it the city would fail. It supplies most of the employment for the city, the city grew up AROUND the university, not vice versa.

'Our healthcare costs are skyrocketing while service is getting worse. Social services in general stink. And our education system is becoming a joke nationwide.'

Health is a fundamental right, that is why a single-payer universal healthcare system is the only viable option. I agree with you on the other points as well. But to say we need to 'get a grip' on this issue and it'll be fixed is laughable, we need to readjust our priorities and realize that corporate greed is what funnels the healthcare system, not need.

Those hiring undocumented workers for lower prices are doing not only the country a disservice, but those individuals who are working for them.

'I am so sick of these liberal nutbags telling us that these people have more rights than those of us who were born here, work here and pay taxes here.'

Liberals do not say such baseless things. We believe that EVERYONE should have the same right regardless of location, age, 'legality', sex or race. Many undocumented workers who apply for jobs do pay taxes but aren't able to see anything in return for it, therefore it goes into the system.

You may not like DeStefano, but he can't be thrown in jail for anything. The ID program is set up for New Haven citizens, whether or not undocumented workers use the system is arbitrary.

'Here we go with all that human rights CRAP./Human rights issue my 'ass'..........'

To quote The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which was adopted by the United Nations, for which the United States of America is a part;

"Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty."

'Maybe if we start treating criminals like criminals we wouldn't have to be afraid to walk on our streets.'

So is that to say that because someone is an undocumented worker that means they are a rapist, murderer or thief? How preposterous.

'But some of the candya** liberals who choose to blog here when they should go elsewhere are such a bunch of socialist/communists and want everything to be so Politically Correct.'

Why should we go anywhere else? This blog is open for political discourse of all kinds, are you truly afraid of all other viewpoints and need to be force fed your own so you sleep well at night? I adsorb, admire and respect all your opinions regardless of how I feel about them, perhaps you should do the same. Communists and Socialist are not the same by the way, and they don't ask for political correctness. You need to understand what these words are before you start ranting.

'DH.. You are so right. These Left leaning anti war liberal with their political correctness BS want to give these Illegals(this is what they are-they are here illegally without proper papers)a free pass.'

What does anti-war have to do with being pro immigration? The war and immigration are not mutually exclusive, so adding that in was nothing more than baiting. Also, an individual cannot be illegal, because a person cannot be a crime.

'We are screwed. At least they could assimilate into our culture like previous generations of immigrant Americans but they dont want to.'

Assimilate into our culture? America is a melting pot of many different cultures, including Hispanic, European, African, etc. Previous groups came here and worked, but maintained their own traditions. Why do you think there is a Little Italy and a China Town?
08/19/08 @ 20:19
Comment from: Milford Resident [Visitor] Email
Gee, The majors last name is Perez, maybe his relatives are illegal and he doesn't want anyone to find out.

The police are there for any illegal activity's, isn't being an illegal immigrant illegal?
08/19/08 @ 23:28
Comment from: DH [Visitor] Email
Yes America is a melting pot but its much much different than it used to be. Immigrants would go through a check point (Ellis Island), get checked for diseases, etc, and Assimilate into being a Italian-Americans or Irish-American, Chinese-Americans etc

Its not the same today AT ALL so you cannot make that comparison.

You make some fair points but you may not be living in complete reality.
08/20/08 @ 06:55
Comment from: Able [Visitor] Email
Much different? Change happens, you accept it and move on. You say there is a good kind of immigration (Anglo), but now because it is of a darker skin tone it is not as acceptable.

You act as if these individuals are rodents are full of diseases, out to rape, murder and steal from all they can, which is preposterous. Being Italian-American, Chinese-American, etc. still means they hold onto their traditions that is why they are ETHNICITY first, and then American.

It is the same today, times have changed. I will use a tried and true right wing saying; If you don't like it, move somewhere else.

You have points, just no empirical data to back any of it up.
08/20/08 @ 09:45
Comment from: DH [Visitor] Email
The proof is in the pudding. Thats the empirical data. Take a ride through our cities.

Its not preposterous. By them not being legal is stealing.

No, they used to come to this country to become Americans. Now it is much different. It is not that hard to see what is going on.

You are defending something that is illegal.
08/20/08 @ 11:59
Comment from: Able [Visitor] Email
I work in Bridgeport, and live in New Haven, I am very aware of what our cities are like. Individuals cannot be a crime, so therefore they are no 'illegal', they are undocumented. The crime may be coming into the country and not applying for citizenship, but the individual is not a crime.

They don't come to this country to be Americans? Then, what do they come for? To be.. French?

You're defending a human rights violation.
08/20/08 @ 12:12
Comment from: DH [Visitor] Email
I also worked in Bridgeport. I lived in New Haven. I now work in New Haven. I have seen "illegal" workers taking advantage and laughing about it every day.

It is just absolutely awful.

Human rights BS is just a cop out.

They come to this country to leach off the services that are provided to them. Many want to impose their culture and trample the hard work of our founding fathers.
And unfortunately elected officials are helping do so.

You dont have to look any further than the ridiculous ID card scam in New Haven.
08/20/08 @ 12:59
Comment from: DH [Visitor] Email
Many of my relatives are Italian and Hispanic. They consider themselves Americans first. They learned to communicate effectively, they embraced the values of our country and are now distraught over how things have changed.

It is much different. No question about it.

08/20/08 @ 13:03
Comment from: Hosed by the system [Visitor] Email
Tell ya what Able.lets take this country BACK to when you got here, there werent "freebes" handed to you just because you are here...lets see how many of these will be here......

Second back then it was a diferent time and a total different set of circumstances than it is now......"ILLEGALS" are sucking us DRY and that ISNT a human rights issue.....
08/20/08 @ 14:10
Comment from: Able [Visitor] Email
'Tell ya what Able.lets take this country BACK to when you got here, there werent "freebes" handed to you just because you are here...lets see how many of these will be here......'

Back to when I got here? I was born here, and I was born here in the 1980's. So back when I 'got here', there were plenty of freebies.. my education was free, I had fire and police service in my town, garbage and recycling pickup. Odd, those are all free.

'"ILLEGALS" are sucking us DRY and that ISNT a human rights issue...../Human rights BS is just a cop out.'

It is a human rights issue, perhaps you don't understand what human rights are? Or the fact that the United States of America is mandated by more than one resolution to uphold them for citizens and non-citizens alike if they are within the borders of this nation. Review these resolutions and you will see it is not a cop out, you just lack compassion for any individual who isn't American. Being American is a label, it is far less important than being human.

'I have seen "illegal" workers taking advantage and laughing about it every day.'

I see more people who are 'legal' abuse the system then those who aren't. I tend to see undocumented workers doing their job and busting their hump.

'They come to this country to leach off the services that are provided to them. Many want to impose their culture and trample the hard work of our founding fathers.
And unfortunately elected officials are helping do so.'

The services are provided to them, so how can they be leaching off of them? They're provided, they use them, some don't. It is not as if they're tapping into something that they can't be. Impose their culture? America is a hodgepodge of many cultures, as I said before... China Town, Little Italy, etc. are all examples of this. Our founding fathers, many of them were either not born in this country or descendants of people who were 'illegal immigrants', who came to a land that was not theirs, and savaged the native people under the concept of Manifest Destiny.

'You dont have to look any further than the ridiculous ID card scam in New Haven.'

The ID Card system is setup for New Haven residents, it is not a scam. It is for those who wish to receive benefits from the city. The last I looked, having a library card is a way of receiving benefits from a city as well. Also, to obtain the card you must show proof of living in New Haven in the form of a bill. So, it appears these workers, who you say leach off the system in New Haven, are in fact paying bills. Odd.

'Many of my relatives are Italian and Hispanic. They consider themselves Americans first. They learned to communicate effectively, they embraced the values of our country and are now distraught over how things have changed.'

That is great for them, and if that is how they feel, then that is amazing. There are individuals born here who cannot communicate correctly and make no attempt to, what of them? Also, as stated before there is no official language to the United States. Therefore if a language barrier exists, then it is something you must deal with.

Times change. Accept and move on.
08/20/08 @ 15:20
Comment from: DH [Visitor] Email
Yes times change but they should for the better not worse.

And I DO have compassion for people who are other than American.

Do you think then if you went to a different country where they spoke a language you could not speak you should have to learn theirs or they should somehow figure out how to communicate effectively to you?

And yes the card system in New Haven is a scam. It gives discounted services to "ILLEGAL" people.

What do you not understand about that???
08/20/08 @ 16:16
Comment from: Able [Visitor] Email
'Do you think then if you went to a different country where they spoke a language you could not speak you should have to learn theirs or they should somehow figure out how to communicate effectively to you?'

America has no official language, the unofficial may be English, but many things are also in Spanish.

What I don't understand is how a person can be illegal? How can a person be a crime?
08/20/08 @ 17:26
Comment from: Bones [Visitor] Email
When the condo, house or apartment next door is leased by an employer of Illegals and 15 or 30 young men live there, tell me how great it is. Uninsured cars ramming yours at 3AM. Empty beer bottles all over. To them, law is just something ignore. Don't try and tell me thats not the way it is. I've seen it!
08/20/08 @ 17:42
Comment from: Able [Visitor] Email
You act is if there aren't more AMERICANS who have uninsured cars and get into accidents, so that is a moot point. People are messy, it sounds like a frat house, ever seen one of those?

So you are basing the entire immigrant population on the possible home of one? Odd.
08/20/08 @ 19:29

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